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		<title>By: cath</title>
		<link>http://www.zelnio.org/2009/10/23/women-in-science-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>cath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think the image really conveys anything to be honest - certainly nothing to do with sex discrimination.  maybe just the artist is a little warped and I think women have a mind of their own to know that their sex does not prevent them from being succesful in whichever field they choose - credit us mere females with a little more intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think the image really conveys anything to be honest &#8211; certainly nothing to do with sex discrimination.  maybe just the artist is a little warped and I think women have a mind of their own to know that their sex does not prevent them from being succesful in whichever field they choose &#8211; credit us mere females with a little more intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: StanR</title>
		<link>http://www.zelnio.org/2009/10/23/women-in-science-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>StanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw it, I immediately thought &quot;fellate the lizard to win an ipod.&quot;  However, I kept a blank expression, and asked my girlfriend in a neutral tone, &quot;What do you think of this?&quot;

She replied, &quot;How is having a lizard on her lips supposed to interest young women in science?&quot;

So, blatant misogyny?  Not sure about that, but it definitely doesn&#039;t make a good impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw it, I immediately thought &#8220;fellate the lizard to win an ipod.&#8221;  However, I kept a blank expression, and asked my girlfriend in a neutral tone, &#8220;What do you think of this?&#8221;</p>
<p>She replied, &#8220;How is having a lizard on her lips supposed to interest young women in science?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, blatant misogyny?  Not sure about that, but it definitely doesn&#8217;t make a good impression.</p>
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		<title>By: sglover</title>
		<link>http://www.zelnio.org/2009/10/23/women-in-science-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>sglover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doc, how the hell is letting any animal crawl on your face a “childlike joy of science?”&quot;

Um, Charles Darwin &lt;a href=&quot;http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&amp;itemID=F1497&amp;pageseq=62&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;might disagree&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;But no pursuit at Cambridge was followed with nearly so much eagerness or gave me so much pleasure as collecting beetles. It was the mere passion for collecting, for I did not dissect them and rarely compared their external characters with published descriptions, but got them named anyhow. I will give a proof of my zeal: one day, on tearing off some old bark, I saw two rare beetles and seized one in each hand; then I saw a third and new kind, which I could not bear to lose, so that I popped the one which I held in my right hand into my mouth. Alas it ejected some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt my tongue so that I was forced to spit the beetle out, which was lost, as well as the third one.&lt;/i&gt;

As far as the original topic goes, while the photo sure doesn&#039;t make me connect women to science, neither does it strike me as heinous, or even close to offensive.  It looks to me like typical advertising industry goofiness.  I think folks in this thread are reading way, way too much into an oddball photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doc, how the hell is letting any animal crawl on your face a “childlike joy of science?”&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, Charles Darwin <a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&amp;itemID=F1497&amp;pageseq=62" rel="nofollow">might disagree</a>:</p>
<p><i>But no pursuit at Cambridge was followed with nearly so much eagerness or gave me so much pleasure as collecting beetles. It was the mere passion for collecting, for I did not dissect them and rarely compared their external characters with published descriptions, but got them named anyhow. I will give a proof of my zeal: one day, on tearing off some old bark, I saw two rare beetles and seized one in each hand; then I saw a third and new kind, which I could not bear to lose, so that I popped the one which I held in my right hand into my mouth. Alas it ejected some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt my tongue so that I was forced to spit the beetle out, which was lost, as well as the third one.</i></p>
<p>As far as the original topic goes, while the photo sure doesn&#8217;t make me connect women to science, neither does it strike me as heinous, or even close to offensive.  It looks to me like typical advertising industry goofiness.  I think folks in this thread are reading way, way too much into an oddball photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.zelnio.org/2009/10/23/women-in-science-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, it seems a shame to kick off this conversation with the header &quot;Women in Science Fail.&quot; Can we give Young Women in Science a break and let them enjoy creepy crawly scaly critters as much as the next guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, it seems a shame to kick off this conversation with the header &#8220;Women in Science Fail.&#8221; Can we give Young Women in Science a break and let them enjoy creepy crawly scaly critters as much as the next guy?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.zelnio.org/2009/10/23/women-in-science-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, how the hell is letting any animal crawl on your face a &quot;childlike joy of science?&quot; The &quot;childlike joy&quot; for many is the &quot;aHa!&quot; moment of discovery of new knowledge, always an eye opening event, no matter the age and better than any drug. This ad show nothing of that, or the very active pursuit of it. It&#039;s a marketing goobers idea of what would &quot;sell&quot; women in science, but I think it misses the target badly, even if you don&#039;t think that it is sexist (which I do) I think you would agree it is a feeble attempt and ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, how the hell is letting any animal crawl on your face a &#8220;childlike joy of science?&#8221; The &#8220;childlike joy&#8221; for many is the &#8220;aHa!&#8221; moment of discovery of new knowledge, always an eye opening event, no matter the age and better than any drug. This ad show nothing of that, or the very active pursuit of it. It&#8217;s a marketing goobers idea of what would &#8220;sell&#8221; women in science, but I think it misses the target badly, even if you don&#8217;t think that it is sexist (which I do) I think you would agree it is a feeble attempt and ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Zelnio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Zelnio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, que?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, que?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, for the childlike joy of science, neat fossils, shiny stones, and cool lizards that crawl on your face..... Wait, what&#039;s that siren? Why it&#039;s the Politically Correct Perv Police......&quot; Put down the lizard and any joy you have in learning Miss. We&#039;re from the University, and we&#039;re here to help.&quot;  All of you &#039;scientists&#039; above can go rot in hell. May my daughter (who currently loves science) never encounter YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, for the childlike joy of science, neat fossils, shiny stones, and cool lizards that crawl on your face&#8230;.. Wait, what&#8217;s that siren? Why it&#8217;s the Politically Correct Perv Police&#8230;&#8230;&#8221; Put down the lizard and any joy you have in learning Miss. We&#8217;re from the University, and we&#8217;re here to help.&#8221;  All of you &#8216;scientists&#8217; above can go rot in hell. May my daughter (who currently loves science) never encounter YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first impression is what idiot came up with that ad and then you read on and it&#039;s sponsored by L&#039;Oreal...enough said. It could have just as easily been a young man and I would have still said, what idiot came up with that to depict anything about science. My guess is that they were looking for something that says women in science aren&#039;t afraid of having reptiles crawl on their face, but who really cares. I think at the end of the day it really boils down to, is that it&#039;s people in marketing that come up with these images not scientist. They are trying to sell women in science and it&#039;s very eye catching. The only thing really disappointing about the ad isn&#039;t the fact that it&#039;s a young women with something crawling on her face it&#039;s that it doesn&#039;t depict women in science. Science is about discovery and no one will every learn anything by having this animal crawl on its face unless it turns out to produce some chemical that is beneficial to your skin. I suppose you never know. I don&#039;t think its sexist just a crappy idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first impression is what idiot came up with that ad and then you read on and it&#8217;s sponsored by L&#8217;Oreal&#8230;enough said. It could have just as easily been a young man and I would have still said, what idiot came up with that to depict anything about science. My guess is that they were looking for something that says women in science aren&#8217;t afraid of having reptiles crawl on their face, but who really cares. I think at the end of the day it really boils down to, is that it&#8217;s people in marketing that come up with these images not scientist. They are trying to sell women in science and it&#8217;s very eye catching. The only thing really disappointing about the ad isn&#8217;t the fact that it&#8217;s a young women with something crawling on her face it&#8217;s that it doesn&#8217;t depict women in science. Science is about discovery and no one will every learn anything by having this animal crawl on its face unless it turns out to produce some chemical that is beneficial to your skin. I suppose you never know. I don&#8217;t think its sexist just a crappy idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Women in Science FAIL « The Online Laboratory of Kevin Zelnio -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Kevin Zelnio and Isis the Scientist, Madhusudan Katti. Madhusudan Katti said: RT @drisis: If you want to be a succesful woman in science, you&#039;ve gotta fellate a lizard. http://bit.ly/4lrE62 via @kzelnio [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Kevin Zelnio and Isis the Scientist, Madhusudan Katti. Madhusudan Katti said: RT @drisis: If you want to be a succesful woman in science, you&#39;ve gotta fellate a lizard. <a href="http://bit.ly/4lrE62" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4lrE62</a> via @kzelnio [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my first impression was WTH?!  I doesnt project &quot;Women in Science&quot; per se.  If this lizard is going extinct, then maybe.  I think maybe its worth putting the recently awarded 3 women nobel prize winners instead....that&#039;s &quot;women in science&quot;.  There are lots more women in science that are unrecognized...that&#039;s also worth saying something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my first impression was WTH?!  I doesnt project &#8220;Women in Science&#8221; per se.  If this lizard is going extinct, then maybe.  I think maybe its worth putting the recently awarded 3 women nobel prize winners instead&#8230;.that&#8217;s &#8220;women in science&#8221;.  There are lots more women in science that are unrecognized&#8230;that&#8217;s also worth saying something.</p>
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